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Hi, I have received this email below and think it is very useful. Therefor I support this case:
Hi,
You probably noticed that 90% of the full tilt / forum players are banned for life. With this email I want to give you my thoughts about the story behind the bonusbots / Full Tilt Bann.
Egor sold us out to Full Tilt and other Poker rooms.
Do you want to know how this could happen?
1) Egor/Bonusbots seems to make agreements with poker rooms.
- You probably have read on the forum or in the Bonusbots promo email (9-October-2010) that Shanky has made an agreement with BetNgo.
- (quote email: We have gotten in on a special signup deal with BetnGo that simply cannot be beat�
- Quote forum: BetNgo contacted us to adjust the bot for there site� �this is the new way of botting� That Poker rooms are contacting us. Make an easy calculation and you will see how much money Egor can make by selling us out to the poker rooms.
- When Egor collects a % percentage of the rake we pay, for bringing new customers (botters) to the poker client.
- Egor can bring any poker room that works with the bot easy 2 to 3k Players/botters. Most of us play on daily basis what generated lots of money and traffic.
- Lets assume that 2500 people (forum has 5K users) are botting regularly at the poker room. It is very easy to generate 60 dollar rake back per month for Shanky poker players.
- So 2500 people x 250 rake paid to poker client per month = 625.000 total paid rake per month.
- Poker Players receive 27% rake back = 67 dollar rake back per month. X 2500 players = 168.750.
- PROFIT for the poker room is 625.000 � 168.750 rake back = 456.250 PER MONTH!!
- So all botter from the forum are good for at least 12 x 456.250 = 5.500.000 DOLLAR per year PROFIT!. At least some of us generate more than 60 dollar rake back per month and pay more rake to the poker room. So this amount can easy be more. Since lots of people have extra accounts, Vm machines.
- The amount of rake (not profit) Shankybotters pay yearly to the 5 poker rooms is at least 10 to 15 million.
- When Egor receives 3% to 5% for every player he brings to the poker client then he would make 3% of 625.000 rake we have totally paid = 18.750 per month! At 5% it would be 5% of 625.000 = 31.250 dollar per month for Egor to bring new customers.
- As you can see clearly a deal with the poker room can be very Lucrative for Egor and for the poker room.
2) Who are still botting and not banned.
- There are several people still botting. I have prove and can prove that person called (A) is still botting on full tilt after > 700 days of botting and is not banned by Full Tilt. He has a daily changed ipaddress and has a different ip for forum (when registering) and different ip for poker client (when registering).
- Person called (B) is banned on full tilt but he never never used a bot during play on that account. So it�s impossible that full tilt has noticed any botactivity during play.
- This means that full tilt is scanning you computer? But that isn�t the deal since person A is botting for 700 days and full tilt should bann him to if they scan computers.
- Or Full tilt has bann all ipadresses from Forum users that match with full tilt ip address database. This means that person (A) who is still botting can play further since he used a different ipaddress when registering.
- There is more evidence that full tilt has our ipaddresses. Some people I know use cracked licenses from shanky and never have made an account on the forum. They all are still botting on full tilt. So scanning computers is bullshit.
3) How did Full tilt get our IP�S?
- There are 2 possible ways. They hacked the forum to steal it. Or they banned all ip�s that Egor send last years (the Ip�s where needed and used by Full tilt used to calculate the paid raked by botters and transfer a fee back to Egor.)
- The forum was �hacked� 2 weeks ago: This forum hack is just an excuse for Egor to cover.
- Since Full tilt received all ip addresses from Egor from all botters last years it was very easy for them to bann us. That is why people are banned who had a forum account + a full tilt account but never used the bot during play.
4) The CakePoker/Redstar Scam by Egor.
- Egor/bonusbots is promoting Redstar and Site X as suitable for the bot. We all know that the bot is suited for 6 poker room (siteX, redstar, bodog, UB, Fulltilt, BetNGo)
- What Egor didn�t tell us all those years is that the pokerbot works 100% on all poker clients that use the Cake Poker SKIN. Since the layout is identical for all cake skin based rooms. This means that the bot is working on all 60 cake poker client rooms. Check: http://cakenetwork.net/partners.html
- What does this mean. Obvious Egor has made an agreement with 2 from the 60 cake poker rooms to bring new players/botters. The same agreements he made ofcourse with bodog, full tilt, betngo and others.
- He knows that the bot works on all skins of cake poker, but only makes promotion for 2 because of this agreement. Do you really think that Egor only promote 2 poker rooms if he can promote 60 new rooms. This would increase his botsales. But he makes more money with the % of rake back he receives when we play at the 2 rooms he has an agreement with.
- Try out yourself, the Bot works on all 60 CakePokerSkins!
5) Conclusions:
- People who not registered at the forum are still playing because there ip address is not available for poker rooms.
- Full tilt doesn�t scan computers, but receives the ip�s from Egor as soon a new botter has arrived to calculate the rake.
- Yabb forum is one of the most difficult forums to hack.
- It looks like that Full tilt was a smaller company years ago and really could use the botters and the money/rake. Now there are growed huge and don�t really need us anymore. The millions we bring in are not enough. They banned us because our % in the yearly income of full tilt is to small. They can better bann us now and prevent that this agreement comes out in the open.
- Other rooms like bodog, UB, SiteX and Redstar are still small and really can use our rake. That is why they don�t bann us for now.
- The money Egor can make by agreements is huge. His position is good. He can bring 2K till 3K, mostly daily poker players to a poker room for the lower limits. This generates a very very healthy income for the poker room.
- He never told us that the bot is suited for 60 poker room at the cake network. Just because he only wants us to play at 2 rooms because of the agreements he made.
- The forum hack is a cover-up. Full tilt wanted to prevent that the agreement would come in the open and after all those years they didn�t need us anymore. They contacted Egor to say that they where banning all botters to prevent damage to their image. Egor made up a �hack� where our IP addresses where stolen.
- The money Egor can make by selling our ip�s to the poker room is huge. We are talking about 50K or more per month for all 5 rooms.
- Other poker room can bann us when they want since they have all our ipadresses.
- Little strange that people are botting for YEARS, and all of a sudden everybody is banned since a so called forumhack?
- Most rooms are not really reliable, like Ub (had a scandal with super user accounts. Bodog is extremely bot friendly, Full tilt has lots of lawsuits at the moment and confiscate your money. Redstar and Site x belong to a network of 60 small poker rooms on affiliate basis. This are all small companys who rent a cakeskin + Support and payments layout per month. So 2K botters would make a big difference for a small sized poker room. There job is to bring players into the cake network. So I really think this kind of poker rooms could make such agreements.
- Egor deleted the page for updates (history of botversions) why?? Probably to make sure that the old and new bots don�t support full tilt anymore. With older bots you can still play poker on full tilt. But the agreement stopped and so does the support. Also Egor deleted many pages from the forum last 2 weeks.
- Do you really think that 129 dollar for the bot is enough to support a poker room? Egor only supports rooms where he can make money by agreements. See CakeScamm or BetnGo.
- Egor is pushing lately with doodle to play 5nl or higher. Probably to double up his monthly income.
6) What should you do?
- Egor is responsible for our damage because of the very old version of the forum. If the forum is hacked, like he claims, then he is responsible because of a lack in updating the forum for the safety of our personal information like ip�s. The forum version 2 weeks ago was VERSION 2.1 now after updating the forum is VERSION 2.5? That is a difference of 4 mainversions + lots of extra quick updates like 2.3.3�..?
- Since Egor runs of official business he should do anything to prevent other people stealing our personal information. Updating regularly is very important. Since he runs a business he has obligations for storing our private information.
- Ask Egor about what for agreements he makes with poker rooms when they contact him to ask for adjustment of the bot for there pokersite.
- Ask Egor why certain people without a forum account or hacked licenses without forum account can still play, even up to 700days.
- Ask Egor to refund you because he did not take enough security to store your personal information.
- Don�t accept that Full tilt confiscate your money. They only banned your IP, not because of using bot during play. If you download the bot on 1 January and use the bot and loose all your money. And refund at 2 January with 1000 dollar and play manually. Then they can not confiscate your money since you did not earn money with the bot. Let them send you evidence that the money they confiscate is earned with a bot. Go to your local police and file a complain against full tilt for taking/stealing your money without your permission. Send your complain also to the Kahnawake Gaming Commission. http://www.gamingcommission.ca/
As you can see agreements with poker room are very lucrative for Egor and for the poker rooms. When they are big enough they bann us to prevent damage to their organisation. Egor is responsible for our bann and money loss.
Please ask questions and don�t accept a �hackstory�
Any comments or possible evidence you can send to:
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